Expanse finale: Creators James SA Corey, Naren Shankar explain the big choices

Over the weekend, The Area ended for the 2nd time — just this time around, showrunner Naren Shankar and franchise developers Ty Franck and Daniel Abraham (jointly referred to as the author James S. A. Corey) concluded the series on their terms. The cherished tv adjustment of the books by James S.A. Corey dealt with an early end when, after initial network SyFy decreased to restore it following its seriously well-known 3rd season. Versus all chances, the series discovered a brand-new house on Amazon Prime, which simply covered a shortened six-episode season that plunged its characters into the important things they’ve been attempting to prevent the whole time: war.

As the program ends, Polygon got on the phone with Shankar, Abraham, and Franck to speak about how there is no cool method to end a war, and how it’s important to accept that deep space has lots of things we will never ever genuinely comprehend.

Polygon: The entire season is quite one huge war story, was that what you set out to do from the start?

Naren Shankar: Yeah, definitely. That was the intent. We spoke about it in specifically those terms. This is a war story. It’s these individuals who’ve been at war for, you understand, 8 months we state at the start of the season. It’s a war of attrition, and the whole season was a crawling, painful, going up the ladder, so to speak — leaving that hole and taking the battle to the end of the world.

Three characters from The Expanse standing at Earth looking at wreckage (not pictured) from a comet in a still from season 6 of The Expanse

Picture: Shane Mahood/Amazon Prime Video

In spite of being a huge war story, the last season of the program constructs towards this extremely positive location; was that something you constantly wished to end on?

Shankar: When we adjusted the books, we attempted to remain extremely near the spirit of the books. So, that type of mix of optimism and hope and appreciation for mankind, and likewise grimness and darkness and an awareness of all of the failures that people tend towards. That’s all in the project from the beginning, for me. You know, Ty is really the one who originated the story in all its various forms. And so I think that was in the DNA from the start.

Ty Franck: Yeah, anybody who knows me knows that I’m very optimistic and almost saccharine sweet.

Daniel Abraham: Yeah. His favorite saying is “When you die, can I have all your stuff?” [laughs]

And yet, despite a bittersweet ending, there’s likewise a nod that things are not getting less complicated — Holden pretty much undermines the compromise between the U.N. and the OPA, things are tense!

Shankar: One of the things we’ve always worked with in this project is the idea that things are always complicated. War is complicated. And reconciliation is complicated. And it has always been complicated and it will always be complicated; the part where it all gets real simple tends to be because there’s some sort of atrocity going on.

Franck: Yeah it’s easy to stop arguing when you just kill everyone on the other side.

Abraham: To clarify, we’re against that! [laughs]

Holden in a still from The Expanse season 6

Photo: Shane Mahood/Amazon Studios

Yeah, a cool thing this season does is stress that institutions are resistant to reconciliation, and the Rocinante crew is just tugged around.

Shankar: The Roci has always been that third alternative you know? From the beginning people were asking them, Are you Martian? Are you Earther or are you Belter? That’s always been a sign that they misunderstood, because the cancer is always — as soon as you pick the tribe, you’re wrong.

Abraham: Holden talks about that in season 1, he says “That’s the whole problem: When people take a side.”

Can we talk a little about those prologues? What did you want to ultimately get across breaking up this short story across each episode?

Shankar: Those opening vignettes are all based on the novella that Ty and Daniel wrote called Strange Dogs. And it deals with people who are living on Laconia under the rule of these Martians who are creating this independent state. For us, it was a way to connect the events of season 6 to the big questions that ended season 5 about the alliances that Marco had made with these rogue Martians to get warships. He gave them the proto molecule as payment and the scientists who knew how to use it, and they took that through the ring to do something that was mysterious, and the ship gets eaten at the end of season 5 in a mysterious way. There was a way to deal with all these questions and also not lose some focus on the protomolecule, which was really the thing that has always been at the center.

And a thing I’ve always appreciated about the show and its lore is how the protomolecule is still so unknowable. Was it important to keep it that way?

Franck: I’ve always felt like detailed explanations of the unknowable are either bad or annoying, because the story goes “here’s this dramatically unknowable thing,” and then the reader or the viewer invokes some image in their head — you’ll never be the thing that they’ve imagined. And so when you try to do that, either you’re disappointing, or just bad?

The reality is we’re still struggling to figure out the big questions about the universe. So any answer you give that asserts completeness is usually a lie. And so it’s OK. It’s OK to leave some mystery in the world, it’s OK to say, here’s some hints or some clues about the things that are going on. Here are some evocative details that might imply certain answers. But when you sit down and you give us a dissertation where you say, “I’m going to go ahead and explain all the mysteries of the universe to you in my five minute lecture” — that’s usually not a good ending.

The crew of the Rocinante sitting at a table and eating dinner together in a still from the final season of The Expanse

Photo: Amazon Studios

Shankar: Ty always put it this way, which I loved: The protomolecule was the rock that people broke themselves on. And by that he meant, every time people thought they knew what it was and tried to bend it to their will, they discovered it was something else. And it was simply that we could not understand it. And that’s threaded through the story from the very beginning.

Franck: Yeah, and in the first book, we are specific about that, because we say the protomolecule is like a bunch of monkeys found a microwave. One of them figures out how to open the door, and he goes, “Oh, this is a box to put things in.” And another one realizes that a light comes on, and they’re like, “Oh, this is a light to illuminate the darkness.” And another one says “This is really heavy, and I can break things with it.” So it’s a handy weapon for getting stuff.

All of them are wrong, because a monkey has never reheated a frozen burrito. So they have no context. So when the people find the protomolecule, we keep going, “Oh, it must be this.” And we’re always wrong. Because the context in which the protomolecule was created and the species that created it, we share no context with. Therefore as Naren said, we keep breaking ourselves on this since we don’t we don’t understand it. And in many ways, we will never be able to understand it. So we’ll simply keep beating each other to death with it, thinking it’s a huge rock.

Jobber Wiki author Frank Long contributed to this report.